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		<title>By: Should operators support app developers? &#124; Tomas Kohl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Should operators support app developers? &#124; Tomas Kohl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] PS (Mar 15, 2009): the &#8220;walled garden&#8221; analogy comes to mind. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: McGuire&#8217;s Law &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Observations: Applications - March 13, 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGuire&#8217;s Law &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Observations: Applications - March 13, 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] App Stores - from exciting to boring (in just one week) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look guys, your all wrong. Danger had an app store at least 6 years before apple/iphone.  It provided a seamless experience, had only apps for the sidekick, allowed you to actually preview the app (which none of the others seem to support though the android return policy is pretty good).  The only thing it lacked was user ratings/comments. 

Go through every list you guys have written about how the apple app store was innovative and new, and compare that list to what Danger created 6 years before.  Almost every item on your list of praises for apple become another &quot;me too&quot; praise for apple.

Disclaimer: I&#039;m a former sidekick user; now a g1 user.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look guys, your all wrong. Danger had an app store at least 6 years before apple/iphone.  It provided a seamless experience, had only apps for the sidekick, allowed you to actually preview the app (which none of the others seem to support though the android return policy is pretty good).  The only thing it lacked was user ratings/comments. </p>
<p>Go through every list you guys have written about how the apple app store was innovative and new, and compare that list to what Danger created 6 years before.  Almost every item on your list of praises for apple become another &#8220;me too&#8221; praise for apple.</p>
<p>Disclaimer: I&#8217;m a former sidekick user; now a g1 user.</p>
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		<title>By: Shai Almog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shai Almog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that multiple application stores would just be an additional deck to some degree. However, unlike the deck small developers would actually have a web UI to submit his/her application... This is a HUGE difference... I would rather there wouldn&#039;t be an &quot;app store per operator&quot;, but I would take whatever I can get.

The main problem with targeting platforms is the certificates. Plain and simple.
Nokia&#039;s solution of going with Java Verified is &quot;problematic&quot; for small time developers. The store vendor should sign applications itself for all the appropriate customers, this is technically doable and should be pretty easy to do if the application is already signed by Verisign/Thwarte etc. (meaning there is a verifyable legal entity representing said company).

Right now getting into the &quot;deck&quot; for companies is a process so painful it causes startups to go out of business just because of the lengthy and painful process. Even a bad/partial solution is better than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that multiple application stores would just be an additional deck to some degree. However, unlike the deck small developers would actually have a web UI to submit his/her application&#8230; This is a HUGE difference&#8230; I would rather there wouldn&#8217;t be an &#8220;app store per operator&#8221;, but I would take whatever I can get.</p>
<p>The main problem with targeting platforms is the certificates. Plain and simple.<br />
Nokia&#8217;s solution of going with Java Verified is &#8220;problematic&#8221; for small time developers. The store vendor should sign applications itself for all the appropriate customers, this is technically doable and should be pretty easy to do if the application is already signed by Verisign/Thwarte etc. (meaning there is a verifyable legal entity representing said company).</p>
<p>Right now getting into the &#8220;deck&#8221; for companies is a process so painful it causes startups to go out of business just because of the lengthy and painful process. Even a bad/partial solution is better than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthäus Krzykowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthäus Krzykowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;From exciting to boring.&quot; Based on my exchanges with VCs/operators and observations (MWC) in recent weeks I find there is a hype around the app store model among the startup community which has little economic justification. This is a tough year for mobile startups and there&#039;s little on the app store front which can change that for them.

Mind you, I understand the enthusiasm of startups when they get into the Apple app store. At VentureBeat we get companies telling us every week that even though they&#039;ve got 5% iPhone users they make up 30%-70% of the actual usage of their service. Getting into the app store is a powerful emotional moment of success for startup teams. VCs, however, have all seen this effect for months and it&#039;s old news for them. To get more funding, startups rather need to answer the question &quot;what&#039;s next ?&quot; VC funding into the consumer mobile segment has decreased in the last 9 months or so. Pitches based on the app store model rarely work, from my observations. 
 
Based on my talks at MWC I don&#039;t see how the app store model really changes the operator business in the next 12 months. Mind you, that may be my confusion, though, as I continue to be surprised how different views on issues like this are in this industry ;) I talked to 6 operators and they all see different things happening and all react to these things differently. Among others, there&#039;s certainly a market for (white-labeled) app store infrastructure evolving like you say, Enrique. What I see, though, is that the business of device makers is changing. Their pitches to operators have become different, I&#039;m told. &quot;My device increases the sales of your data plan via apps/MSN&quot; is becoming a winning formula for some device makers and their competition has to react. This segment of the industry will change a lot this year, imo. 

Just my 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;From exciting to boring.&#8221; Based on my exchanges with VCs/operators and observations (MWC) in recent weeks I find there is a hype around the app store model among the startup community which has little economic justification. This is a tough year for mobile startups and there&#8217;s little on the app store front which can change that for them.</p>
<p>Mind you, I understand the enthusiasm of startups when they get into the Apple app store. At VentureBeat we get companies telling us every week that even though they&#8217;ve got 5% iPhone users they make up 30%-70% of the actual usage of their service. Getting into the app store is a powerful emotional moment of success for startup teams. VCs, however, have all seen this effect for months and it&#8217;s old news for them. To get more funding, startups rather need to answer the question &#8220;what&#8217;s next ?&#8221; VC funding into the consumer mobile segment has decreased in the last 9 months or so. Pitches based on the app store model rarely work, from my observations. </p>
<p>Based on my talks at MWC I don&#8217;t see how the app store model really changes the operator business in the next 12 months. Mind you, that may be my confusion, though, as I continue to be surprised how different views on issues like this are in this industry <img src='http://weblog.cenriqueortiz.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I talked to 6 operators and they all see different things happening and all react to these things differently. Among others, there&#8217;s certainly a market for (white-labeled) app store infrastructure evolving like you say, Enrique. What I see, though, is that the business of device makers is changing. Their pitches to operators have become different, I&#8217;m told. &#8220;My device increases the sales of your data plan via apps/MSN&#8221; is becoming a winning formula for some device makers and their competition has to react. This segment of the industry will change a lot this year, imo. </p>
<p>Just my 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: @FredMartinent</title>
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		<dc:creator>@FredMartinent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have seen with iPhone App Store the &quot;Golden Age&quot; of App Stores:
- a single eco-system
- an integrated customer experience (from discovery to installation) because of the vertical integration of the approach: as you say &quot;downloaded apps work&quot;, without security warning neither during installation nor at run-time
- the marketing power of Apple (their brand and also their investment in the eco-system: it is the first time I see ads on TV to promote mobile applications)

We need more app stores to extend the concept to the vast majority of non-Apple handsets, but it will inevitably lead to fragmentation, and even when Apple introduce new models, they will start experiencing compatibility issues.

However, the most important with this &quot;App Store&quot; phenomenon is the fact that end-users are ready to pay for mobile applications and services. We need to go beyond the current &quot;app store&quot; concept where only the one-off purchase of an application is possible:
- allow micro-payment within applications
- allow subscription business model (on a daily, weekly, or monthly basis)
- extend the concept to &quot;mobile web&quot; services (without local application)
- ...

In this context, today announcement of Zuora providing &quot;Billing as a Service&quot; for Facebook apps is very interesting:
http://blog.zuora.com/zblog/2009/03/monetize-facebook-apps-with-z-commerce-for-facebook-subscribe-dont-advertise.html

When it comes to billing, mobile operators have obviously a key role to play, but they need to cooperate to offer to developers a common billing gateway (developers can&#039;t afford to integrate with billing gateways of each operator).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have seen with iPhone App Store the &#8220;Golden Age&#8221; of App Stores:<br />
- a single eco-system<br />
- an integrated customer experience (from discovery to installation) because of the vertical integration of the approach: as you say &#8220;downloaded apps work&#8221;, without security warning neither during installation nor at run-time<br />
- the marketing power of Apple (their brand and also their investment in the eco-system: it is the first time I see ads on TV to promote mobile applications)</p>
<p>We need more app stores to extend the concept to the vast majority of non-Apple handsets, but it will inevitably lead to fragmentation, and even when Apple introduce new models, they will start experiencing compatibility issues.</p>
<p>However, the most important with this &#8220;App Store&#8221; phenomenon is the fact that end-users are ready to pay for mobile applications and services. We need to go beyond the current &#8220;app store&#8221; concept where only the one-off purchase of an application is possible:<br />
- allow micro-payment within applications<br />
- allow subscription business model (on a daily, weekly, or monthly basis)<br />
- extend the concept to &#8220;mobile web&#8221; services (without local application)<br />
- &#8230;</p>
<p>In this context, today announcement of Zuora providing &#8220;Billing as a Service&#8221; for Facebook apps is very interesting:<br />
<a href="http://blog.zuora.com/zblog/2009/03/monetize-facebook-apps-with-z-commerce-for-facebook-subscribe-dont-advertise.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.zuora.com/zblog/2009/03/monetize-facebook-apps-with-z-commerce-for-facebook-subscribe-dont-advertise.html</a></p>
<p>When it comes to billing, mobile operators have obviously a key role to play, but they need to cooperate to offer to developers a common billing gateway (developers can&#8217;t afford to integrate with billing gateways of each operator).</p>
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		<title>By: ceo</title>
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		<dc:creator>ceo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Barbara. I agree and understand that you get it. My point is that the old-deck has failed for a decade, and the new deck has shown a lot of promise, and that the new deck shall remain and not be precluded, which I&#039;m sure is something operators are tempted to do, as we have seen historically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Barbara. I agree and understand that you get it. My point is that the old-deck has failed for a decade, and the new deck has shown a lot of promise, and that the new deck shall remain and not be precluded, which I&#8217;m sure is something operators are tempted to do, as we have seen historically.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Ballard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Ballard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think any operator or platform/device controlled app store is, and has always been, the deck. In fact, all of the off-deck strategies for content monetization &amp; distribution are just as valid for out-of-store as they are off-deck. 

We&#039;ve been defining &quot;deck&quot; as including app stores for a while. It&#039;s working for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think any operator or platform/device controlled app store is, and has always been, the deck. In fact, all of the off-deck strategies for content monetization &amp; distribution are just as valid for out-of-store as they are off-deck. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been defining &#8220;deck&#8221; as including app stores for a while. It&#8217;s working for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Golden Swamp &#187; Carnival of the Mobilists #163</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golden Swamp &#187; Carnival of the Mobilists #163</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be walled gardens, &#8220;another closed ecosystem that stifles development and creativity.&#8221; Enrique Ortiz writes on AboutMobility, &#8220;All of this sounds &#8216;exactly&#8217; as the old deck, doesn’t it? And guess what? It [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] be walled gardens, &#8220;another closed ecosystem that stifles development and creativity.&#8221; Enrique Ortiz writes on AboutMobility, &#8220;All of this sounds &#8216;exactly&#8217; as the old deck, doesn’t it? And guess what? It [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great post! It highlights one big obstacle that every developer of mobile services has to handle; how to distribute software across plattforms and operators. 

Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great post! It highlights one big obstacle that every developer of mobile services has to handle; how to distribute software across plattforms and operators. </p>
<p>Keep up the good work!</p>
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